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 on: July 24, 2017, 09:55:29 AM 
Started by Hiddenone - Last post by Hiddenone
   I was visiting with my son the other day and he told me this about one of his friends.

       They went to high school together and are now both at the same college. His friend told him he was worried that the world was going to go to hell and the economy was going to crash. Now this kid is studying economics and he is seeing just how screwed up things really are. He has decided that he is going to be ready for the worst. So my son started asking him questions just to see what he planned to do. He keeps his mouth shut about what we are doing but listens real closely to what others have to  say. (He also has plans to get back home in one piece if things tank.)

   So what have you been doing to prepare for trouble in the future? Well I have been saving some money to buy food if things get bad. Ok, have you been buying extra food then? Oh hell no I don't need to do that until things get real bad. Well don't you think it would be a problem to get food if the prices go  up? No that wouldn't happen the stores got plenty of food. They do? Yep they got whole back rooms full of food so they will have plenty when I need it. Don't you think other people will be trying to get food too? Maybe but I know I can get what I want. OK. Don't you think others may have the same ideas? No because I am smarter than they are and that gives me an advantage over them. How's that? Well I'm studying about the economy and they aren't so they aren't as smart as I am about what could happen. Well I know you have a bit of an advantage there but are you really sure their that stupid. Oh hell yes they don't have a clue. Well where will you buy all this food at? I'm going to go to Sam's Club and load up on stuff that I need. Well how much do you plan on spending on food then? I can get all I will need for about $200. Really! Yep that's plenty of food to last for a long time. Well it sounds like you really have that planned out.

   So where do you plan to live then since the college here really wouldn't be a good place to be? No problem I'm going to move back home and live with my folks. Oh I see that's not a bad idea you can take your food and share it with them then. No way! I'm not going to share their on their own. What! You mean you wouldn't share with them since they are putting a roof over your head? No that doesn't happen because they owe me that as I'm their only son. Well what if they don't have any food? That's their problem. So what if they kick you out? Oh that's not a problem I will got out back in the woods and build me a cabin to live in. How are you going to do that you never even took shop class in school? Not a problem how hard can it be to build a cabin. Well harder that you think. Where are you going to get tools to build it? Oh that's easy I'm going to call you and have you come over and help me. Really? Yes you can get some of your dad's tools and help me build it. You are going to pay me to help you then? No your my friend and friends don't ask to get paid. Ok then you will feed me while I help then? Nope you got to bring your own food. Ok. Well are you going to ask my dad to borrow his tools and have me help then. No need to ask you just bring them over and we will build it. Don't you think my dad might not want to lend his tools out then? Not my problem that's yours because your helping me and you can deal with him he will let you use them. Listen I don't think that's going to fly. Sure it will I'm not worried about it at all.

    Well so you get this cabin built and all how are you going to heat it? Well you must be dumb I'm going to use wood. Ok then how are you going to cut wood your dad doesn't have a chainsaw and recollect the last time he had a tree go down he had my dad come over to cut the tree up. Well there is a bunch of wood stacked behind the house from that tree that my folks use in their fireplace so I'll be ok there. What do you think your folks  would heat their house with then? Oh they could call your dad and  buy some firewood from him. Ok. Well what are you going to do for light inside this cabin of yours then? I'm just going to tap into the nearest power line and I'll have plenty of power. Don't you think the power company might have something to say about that? Nope they wouldn't even know I was tapping their line. Well you would need a transformer and a meter base and a breaker box to have the right voltage of power wouldn't you? Nope just splice the drop cord right on the power line and your in business. Ok if you say so. Man I have to have some power to run my computer and tv and Xbox with so I will be set. Well what do you need that stuff for? We I got to be able to email people and entertain myself. You really think this is going to work? Sure no problem I got this all planned out it will work.

   Ok then what are you going to do to protect yourself if somebody wants to take your food or use your cabin and internet? Well that's easy I got to get me some guns and I mean like big ones. What kind of big ones? Well like old Dirty Harry I'm going to get a 44 mag and that will make people think twice about messing with me. I mean I can kill deer and stuff with it and people will just keep away from me cause I have the gun. You ever shoot a gun? Nope but that's not a problem either because I play a bunch of games on the Xbox and I'm an expert marksman. Ok then what are you going to do when you need more for or wood then? I'll go steal some from other people because I know they got what I need. Don't you think that could be a bit risky? Nah I got the 44 mag and they will just get out of my way.

  Ok it really sounds like you have a plan and have this all worked out, Yep I will be a survivor for sure. You aren't worried about any of this not working out then? Nope I have a few years of college and I'm much smarter that all those other people so it will be a piece of cake. Well I'm glad you got it planned out so well. Hey I have to run but keep me posted on how all of this is working for you.

  Dad this friend of mine and from now on I'm going to use that term loosely is truly on his own. He can just plan all he wants and if he thinks he's going to get any help from anyone he is nuts. I would never have thought he was that stupid but I guess I was wrong. I am truly beginning to believe there are a whole bunch of people like him out there that just don't have a clue. Thank God you give me the common sense to do a bunch of different things no matter how much I ever complained about doing them. I at least know that I am in a better position to deal with what comes my way. Yes dad I keep the gas tank full and have the bike in the back of my pickup with some basics to get back home if things happen. Thanks again dad for you and mom being there for me.

   You know I guess I feel pretty good about that. I must have done something right.

 on: July 08, 2017, 07:40:30 PM 
Started by Spence - Last post by Canuck In Denver
A local group is good to have since it helps spread the load around. And lets face it, we all have our strengths and weaknesses., so having someone who is good at things we are not is a good thing. And the old guy with the cane who doesn't get around so well anymore... he's probably forgotten more than most people will know. He may not be able to do it anymore, but he can sure tell folks how to do it so it's done right.

 on: July 08, 2017, 01:35:46 PM 
Started by Spence - Last post by Spence
   I know what you mean. The hard ways may have to be repeated. But I think people
will be a lot healthier in the long run, provided it's not chemical or nuclear. 

   I think I'd benefit in joining a local group so I can actually dry run. But what I can do now is location
exercises using maps and GPS. (get some fishing in too).  Also back trailing for ideal locations on Fed land
would be helpful too. 

   So now I'll go kick some butt and get my city slickers moving.


 on: July 07, 2017, 10:18:29 PM 
Started by Canuck In Denver - Last post by Canuck In Denver
I got the 7 or 8 patches on the pack done, they're all about an inch or inch and a half long since I'd rather have more coverage than less. I've decided to use some black RTV silicon to coat the inside of the bag where I've stitched to help keep out water. I'll probably spray the outside of the pack with some silicon spray as well. Dry bags will make sure that things stay dry.

I took some pictures and have attached them. The pouches I dyed are a little darker than the shoulder straps and waist belt but it still looks good. I stuff the pack with pillows, and three of the 4 pouches.

The main pack is 5000 cubic inches and each of the sustainment pouches is 500 cubic inches, so a total of 7000 cubic inches or 114 liters. It's a fairly large pack. The assault pack that can buckle to the top is about 3000 cubic inches (49 liters), I don't have one and don't know if I will get one. Either way, it's a lot of room. I like that there is a zippered divider between the sleep bag section on the bottom and the main pack, you can unzip it for tall things like a self inflating pad and have everything in the bag instead of strapped to it.

 on: July 07, 2017, 10:05:33 PM 
Started by Spence - Last post by Canuck In Denver
We all get older. Once upon a time I was surprised I made double digits, that's 10, given all the stupid crap I did. Then it was 30. Now it's closer to 50 than 30. There was a stretch in there from 34 on where I was in much rougher shape, car accidents will do that to you.

My grandparents lived through the Great Depression, my parents were "Boomers" and lived in the now with nary a thought to the future. I listened to my grandparents, so I'm as prepared as I can be. My kids are in their 20s and they live in the now although the youngest has listened the most. It's hard to put away for the future when jobs suck and you're just scraping by. All the kids know that I'm prepared and know to get back here, whether they live 15 minutes or 4 hours or 16 hours away. The one that's furthest away will probably involve me going to get her, but I won't be doing that alone and we'd be loaded for bear.

At least your grandson gets it. It seems that preparing often skips a generation.

 on: July 07, 2017, 11:14:59 AM 
Started by Spence - Last post by Spence
          I go through my cache, but usually the back pack first just in case it's a grab and go situation. I'm watching the tube while doing it, and maybe I'll nod off in the middle. I'd go in the garage and check out the dessicants in the milk cans to make sure that the stuff stays dry. Sometimes I may need to use something, so I make sure they're all in the same location again.

          I wake up, now my TV program long past,  with the thought that I am just too old to do anything. Something inside says that I still have it, and I recall the service days and the force marches carrying all that gear, and the things I would do calling for a lot of energy. But I was 18 then, and now my 72 years frame is having problems with worn knee joints, and the hearing is getting bad by the year, especially needed in the high frequencies where you need to determine the leaf rustle caused by wind rather than bear.     
My left eye had a mild stroke in the lower right quarter which I didn't notice for a couple of days since I didn't close one eye, which would have shown me the greyed out part. Apparently I learned the brain compensates and it looks perfectly normal with two eyes open. My shooting is with my right eye and I can still target a 2" group at 150 ft, so that's OK I guess. The good eye has got a few floaters and I'm glad they don't disturb my central field of vision. My wife checked the blood pressure and she says mid to just under high, which maybe explains the eye problem. It should improve if the bad days come soon, as I'll be as active as a Neander on the hunt. 

         So the years go by and I'll get more tired in spite of my exercises, and everything will slowly shut  down. My 2 sons usually politely listen in on my plan of action such as how I'll design the cave so my wife and I and their two families can live out the 'storm'. Or lately, to build 'take down/put up' cabins for the move to the mountains. They are caught up in the 'now' raising families and dependent on the grid for survival. So I'll be the one to once again provide for an alternative life, and I hope it never happens. If I croak, my sons will know where the stuff is, and they can use it or save it. It looks like nature will be the enemy, out of all the disaster scenerios, with the skies looking more like out of the Book of Eli, or the Road. More rain and storms,less sun(or too much), and random season shifts.

        So I keep trying to remain organized for them, keeping the gear gathered. Even now when the time comes I'll probably be there to set up with them, but my days will be few when the critters discover I'm a lunch that can't fight back.

        So in the meantime I'll give my opinions based on what is good for the future, but to my kids my plans are getting more abstract while they get more taken in with this era. It's hard these days of shining paint to convince the boys to stay with real 4 X 4's instead, or if not, at least with a weak AWD. They know to stash real bullion and silver instead of bank accounts,etc. But my oldest 15 year old grandson seems to be doing just that. He saves his pay and collects bullion coins, so he's on the right path.         

        In the mean time I'll be that tough old SOB that doesn't make sense but still will survive,.......well,  maybe after my nap.  :D


 on: July 06, 2017, 08:21:58 PM 
Started by Hiddenone - Last post by Canuck In Denver
Yeah, I have a problem with younger people who have money for toys and extras but not food. To be fair, some of them did that but exhausted their savings when things went south for them, but they are the minority I think. Sounds like lip service to me, those who won't take you up on the offer of food for work.

I spent a lot of time listening to my grand parents who lived through the Great Depression, so much so that I live the way I do and prepare for the worst as well as I am able to. Even when I only had a $5 a week budget to spend on prepping I was able to put aside food and other items... it was slow going but it was possible.

Blacksmithing (and weapon and armor smithing) is something I had lined up as an apprenticeship until I got married. I keep my eye out for old forges and eventually will run across one when I have money to spend on it. I know I can build one, but it's another thing on the list for when I have time.

 on: July 06, 2017, 09:29:31 AM 
Started by Hiddenone - Last post by Hiddenone
   It's not a bad program for those who are elderly and we always give them a little extra. I do have a problem with the younger ones who come in with 3 kids and cover in TATS. If they got money for those then why aren't they putting their money towards other more important things. This also gives us a chance to visit with people and if they are interested in gardening and trying to be self sufficient we talk a bit about our lifestyle. I have some who tell us they really would like a garden but have no space to plant one. We have offered them all the fruits and veggies they can use for coming and helping take care of our gardens and still haven't had any takers on the offer. Kind of funny they could have a free source of food and will not take advantage of it.
   The real interesting ones are the elderly who can't do any type of work in a garden but they have some real good stories to tell. I makes me sad to see them being poor after being successful and raising families who for the most part never visit them or try to learn anything from their experiences. Have one old guy who did some blacksmithing and welding for a living and he is a wealth of information. He has even offered to give me advice on setting up a small blacksmithing shop here on our place.

 on: July 05, 2017, 07:59:57 PM 
Started by Hiddenone - Last post by Canuck In Denver
It's good to see those on government assistance buying fresh food.

 on: July 04, 2017, 05:01:00 PM 
Started by Hiddenone - Last post by Hiddenone
   Sorry I haven't been on the sight in a while. We have been working very hard in the gardens this year as we are doing 4 Farmers Markets. We have had a real strange growing season this year with wet cold weather then dry hot weather followed again by cold wet weather. It to say the least has been a roller coaster this year for sure. We do market Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday and have very little time for anything else. Sales haven't been too bad with all the flakey weather and we are starting to get more veggies coming on in the gardens each week. Since we do smaller towns with a population of 10000 or less we feel we serve just the right amount of customers and don't run out of produce until the end of the market. The people we serve tend to be older and a lot of poorer people. I would venture to say at least half of these folks are on some kind of government program and some times 1/3 to 1/2 of are sales are with food program coupons. It is very rewarding and fun to sell fresh fruits and veggies to people and visit with them on how we grow our crops and how to prepare them for the table.

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